Does God exist?

Discussion in 'Spirituality & Philosophy' started by Joanne1216, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. Omega

    Omega New Member

    amen to that
     
  2. Scooter

    Scooter Na Koa Ali'i

    Come on, you don't get it
    5000/5=1000
    1000/12=83.3

    then
    4000/7=571.428
    571.428/7 = 81.63

    7*12 = 84

    So we have 82, 83 and 84 if we round up

    It is so clear, How is it you do not understand ?
     
  3. Chuck D

    Chuck D BOZO

  4. Indrek Kerbo

    Indrek Kerbo New Member

    This is my opinion.

    I think that God is one infinite source that always has been and always will be. Universe is created again ("big bang") every time when the expansion is complete, so the evolution can start again.
    This infinite source is in everything, in all of us. (This source is like a tree with branches) So we all are one infinite source, yet we have all our physical bodies that we inhabit.
    We are here to create, with our mind. (once there was no cities, no tools. It has all been created by us) We are the tools which God can experience itself.

    We have created relativity, so we can know the good, know the up from down, cold from warmth. If you would go into space, there would be no up and down, no relativity, so there really is no "good" or "bad", we have created this in our mind. Life is really a creation, and we don't have to worry about what happens when we "die". Our true nature cannot die (soul). We are eternal beings with nothing to lose. Death is just a new beginning, a rejoice with God. God doesn't judge us, because it would be same as judging itself. Why would God blame its own creation?
     
  5. Paul@Pittsburgh

    Paul@Pittsburgh Moving on

    Because God is a Holy God and His creation disobeyed Him and turned against Him. But God is also a loving God and so that isn't the end of the story. God provided a redeemer too, for those willing to admit that God is a sovereign God and that they are in need of redemption.
     
  6. Go-Getter-Girl

    Go-Getter-Girl New Member

    To answer your question……………. YES!!!! :)
     
  7. Scooter

    Scooter Na Koa Ali'i

    I watched Clash of the Titans finally last weekend and this was the plot.
    Not that it matters but I found that interesting
     
  8. Henk

    Henk Banned

    Just one of more than 2500 chapters.
    Jesus is answering a narrow minded pharisee
    There are 25 books ...each book has 100 chapters.

    Book 15 chapter 97

    97. THE BEING OF GOD AND
    ETERNAL JOY FOR CREATION
    [1] The Pharisee said: “Lord and Master, one cannot say
    anything against it anymore; since the truth of everything said is
    just too clear! However, if finally all the souls of this earth turn
    into many gods, where will they find the space to move, rule
    and govern with their freedom, independence and power? For
    also a spirit must occupy some space and time, even if standing
    above space and time concerning his divine properties.”
    [2] I said: “O you pettiest and totally shrunk soul! Have you
    never seen a starry sky? Don’t you know what all these visible
    stars in their multitude numbers are?! See, if from every atom of
    this earth arise twelve-thousand souls – what would result in
    such a large number that presently even the best mathematician
    could never imagine it – there nearly would not be enough souls
    to add only one soul for every sun-world in the large creationspace,
    not mentioning the still many countless earth-worlds, of
    which not seldom many thousands orbit one single sun-world.
    [3] Now imagine for yourself the endless greater spaciousness
    of the heavens of God and the equally endless number of their
    societies, which corresponds with the worlds in physical space,
    where until now for example hundred-thousand times hundredthousand
    already exist for this earth alone! How many classes of
    people are still to be developed on this earth, only God knows,
    because He has the infinite numbers as a clear unit before Him.
    If however from the people of only this earth so many countless
    societies can be formed in the beyond, just imagine how many
    can be formed from all the other countless many worlds, of
    which many physically are so large, that this earth in
    comparison forms hardly a single grain of sand?
    [4] If you weigh what is said, it will become clear to you, if a
    still so endless large number of the true children of God, could
    one day grow too large for the total everlasting and infinite
    heaven! Do you think that for the everlasting great God, a by
    your human mind limited number, could be forever sufficient?!
    Only count the creatures of this earth, think of the everywhere
    infinite fertility and reproductive ability of the plants and
    animals, and you will infer from that, that with God everything
    goes to infinity, and nobody can say that this is something
    pointless!
    [5] For if God did not place such into the plants and animals, in
    the near future you would have no bread anymore and no meat
    and no milk, no wine no fruit; but because a wheat grain placed
    into the earth, bears hundred fold fruit, you always have bread
    in abundance and also everything else. If thus God effectuates
    everything to infinity according to His very highest wisdom and
    endless power, can somebody then say, that the everlasting and
    endless creations out of God are something pointless? Your own
    daily bodily needs teach you already the purest opposite,
    because without food you cannot exist! – Do you now
    understand why God continuously creates endless quantities?”
    [6] Said now quite surprised the Pharisee: “Yes, Lord and
    Master, this I can see now and deeply admire Your wisdom. I
    only have to express my opinion to the point, that I start to
    dread the endless greatness and power of the Creator, and only
    ask You if God will create forever; since according to Your
    words, creating has no end. I ask You, to give me a light about
    that, otherwise I will become quite dizzy.”
    [7] I said: “This you should have already derived from this My
    explanation. If God is everlasting, He certainly will have created
    from eternity! Since what should He have done for an eternity
    before the seemed creation of this world, the sun, the moon and
    all the stars, for He was forever equally perfect?
    [8] According to the spirit God is everlasting and infinite.
    Everything originates and exists out of Him, everything is in
    Him, and everything is the everlasting endless fullness of His
    thoughts and ideas from the greatest to the smallest. He thinks
    them in the clearest light of His self-consciousness and wants
    that they become a reality, and then they are already that what
    they primordially had to be. He then adds the germ spark of His
    love to the thoughts and ideas which He so to speak placed
    outside His personality, enlivens them, so that they can exist
    like independent beings, and then guides them by His
    continuous and always increasing inflow, to the highest possible
    level of indestructible independence.
    [9] These beings – because the divine love in them guides and
    maintains them – are then by themselves full of creative powers,
    reproduce themselves and can multiply to infinity, and everyone
    going forth from them, like the children from their parents, are
    not only resemble their producer, but are also equipped with the
    same properties, which serves the aim, that the producer and the
    product through the quite easily possible increase of divine love
    in themselves, can finally cross over out of matter to the pure
    spiritual fully God-resembling state but still forever remain
    individual independent beings.
    [10] As such the thoughts and ideas of God once placed outside
    Himself, are returning completely to God and in God, however
    not anymore as what they have been placed outside, but as fully
    alive, clearly self-conscious to themselves, independent and
    self-active beings, who then, like completely independent from
    God, can exist, effectuate and create by themselves, why I have
    said to My disciples: ‘Become as perfect like your Father in
    heaven is perfect!’
    [11] I now do great things before your eyes and ears; but you
    yourselves will do even greater things in My name, which is the
    love of God in your hearts, without nobody can effectuate
    anything substantial for the everlasting live, because the love of
    God is the actual indestructible life in God Himself and also in
    every being going forth out of God.
    [12] However everything, once physically created, comes as
    such to an end, if by the fully ripened divine love in itself,
    migrates in time over to the pure spiritual; and as such also this
    earth will not exist forever, but in time will migrate to the
    spiritual. However, according to the calculation of the earthly
    time it will still take for your present mind a very long time until
    the fire of divine love will have dissolved all matter into its
    original spiritual state.
    [13] The dissolving of a world will take place like the dissolving
    of every other physical being, whereby the external death will in
    time progress and become visible more and more. If you look at
    a tree, you will observe how it wastes away over time. It
    becomes old, rotten, only a few branches showing life while
    others have become decayed and rotten and in time fall off from
    the trunk. Over time also the trunk becomes rotten and dead and
    this continues, until finally the whole tree becomes decayed,
    rotten and dead in itself. Nevertheless a by himself completely
    dead tree still has life-spirits in itself; therefore you will, if it lies
    in the forest thrown over by a storm, see a lot of mos plants and
    also other little herbs grow from it, also its inner will be pierced
    by all kinds of worms, and a large number of insects will gnaw
    for as long at the flesh and marrow as there still is something to
    it, until after about a hundred years no trace of the tree can be
    found anymore.
    [14] Thus, even if on a much bigger scale, it will also happen to
    a dying and finally completely deceased world. However, where
    a tree dies, soon another grows in its place. Hence also a world
    passes, but another and even several others take its place and
    adsorb the leftover life-spirits of the totally deceased and fully
    perished old world, for further nursing and development. And
    see, as such the actual creating never reaches an end, because
    also God can never stop, in His everlasting unlimited love and
    wisdom, to think, to will and to love!
    [15] I think that this should be for everyone in the highest
    degree comprehensible! To whom this still is not sufficiently
    clear, for him I add the following to all this: Imagine yourself
    living immortally forever in everlasting youthful strength in a
    world! Will you at any stage want to stop thinking and to want?
    Will you at one stage become completely inactive and does not
    want to enjoy anything? Certainly not, but you will become
    increasingly more active, and you will most eagerly try and use
    all means possible to prepare for yourself always more and
    greater comforts of life; because this love and the true life of
    love has in itself, that it never can rest, because life itself is
    nothing else than one activity after another.
    [16] Therefore nobody of you should think that he one day in
    the beyond will find himself in an everlasting, sweet rest; since
    this would be actually the very death of the spirit or the soul.
    The more spiritual a person becomes in his inner being, the
    more active he will become, and this through and through. If
    this is already visible and clearly noticeable on this earth, how
    much more will it be the case in the beyond, where no heavy
    body restrains the activity of the soul! – Now speak, if you have
    comprehended this well!”
     
  9. sarahgop

    sarahgop Active Member

    thanks henk. god does indeed exist.
     
  10. EntrepreneurDan

    EntrepreneurDan New Member

    I think god does exist. However god also comes in different forms. And not necessarily in just an organized religion sense. Some people think just cause one may not be a fan of organized religion, that makes the person an atheist. It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. JMHO.
     
  11. PhilD

    PhilD New Member

    So Jo, for a while you thought that actually was Einstein? And that somehow there was an advanced camera in his youth that just happened to be in his class when he spoke up??

    I like it.......
     
  12. Joanne1216

    Joanne1216 Well-Known Member

    Technicalities ;)

    Don't pick on me you big bully!!!
     
  13. EntrepreneurDan

    EntrepreneurDan New Member

    Anyway, one reason why I brought this up. Was cause I've seen some young people coming up whereas cause they may not be a fan of "organized religion" they came into the conclusion that they must perhaps be "atheists". But I think it's the society that may have imposed that on them with such thoughts or statements as "What? You don't want to go to Church? Then you don't believe in God and must be an atheist". Which I think it's an unfair or inaccurate imposition. And that some of these young people need to realize it doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. JMHO.
     
  14. zekes

    zekes New Member

    Yes, I do believe that God exist :)
     
  15. ahwilliams

    ahwilliams New Member

    I see god in our ability to choose. When you live life on autopilot you surrender your part in the creation of the world around you. Those who can rise above their lower instincts and choose thier own destiny become participants in the creation of our existence.

    It can be as simple as going for a run even though your body is telling you to stay home, quitting smoking when your cravings are telling you not to, or sacrificing yourself for others in spite of your own desires.

    Think of all the greatest people who have ever lived, athletes, scientists, Ghandi, etc and what made them great... They made a conscious choice every minute of every day to do things most of us cant sustain for a few hours or even minutes. Its the ability to choose that makes us all co-creators.
     
  16. I liked how this wise young boy described a point especially where he met logic with science in his explanation that cold is the absence of heat and darkness is the absence of light,

    and used that as a point in tort that because those elements apear to be real in our current reality then evil can only be as a result of having no love of God in his heart.

    To expand further I believe all human beings believe in something its when we try to explain that belief by definition that we strugle, is this because we cant accept that we are the most intelligent species on earth?

    I herd a doctor speak at a conference I attended the only thing that a man can claim as his own is his brain, you can have every other part of your body replaced by a pig, goat, or even a monkey if you like.

    But what you cant have replaced is your thinking faculty which is your brain. Gods name is "I am" God does not live outside of you he lives in you. Let us make man in our likeness and image, and greater is he who lives in me " I am"

    To define God you only need to look in a mirror and who ever is starring back at you is your definition of God. "I am" proud to be apart of the most superior species on this earth no other animal has the thinking faculty I have! :cool: I can train a monkey but a monkey cant train me because "I am"!
     
  17. MantaRayz

    MantaRayz YoUniversally Aligned

    Actually, because they are both fruit, apples ARE oranges. just different.
     
  18. MantaRayz

    MantaRayz YoUniversally Aligned

    If God fell in a forest, but no one was present to believe, would God exist?
     
  19. GR8FL2BME

    GR8FL2BME The Bejeweled One

    To believe what, that he fell? LOL!!
     
  20. Joanne1216

    Joanne1216 Well-Known Member

    Awesome :thumb:
     

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